The Great Kegel Debate (Part 3): With Michelle Lyons
- Nicole Cozean

- Jun 1
- 2 min read
Should we be anti-Kegel? Has the pendulum swung too far?
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Should we be anti-Kegel? Has the pendulum swung too far?
We brought on the one and only Michelle Lyons to continue the conversation. It deserved a Part 3, and there's no one else we'd rather deep dive into the topic with than Michelle. We cover:
Why Kegels and pelvic floor muscle training are NOT the same thing
The history of Dr. Kegel (and why we may have misunderstood him)
Why pelvic floor rehab is far more sophisticated than "squeeze and lift"
The role of strength, timing, coordination, endurance, and movement
Why social media has made this debate more confusing
How to become a more evidence-informed clinician
If you've followed Parts 1 and 2 of the Great Kegel Debate, this episode brings everything together with one of the sharpest minds in pelvic health.
Michelle Lyons
Michelle Lyons is an internationally recognized pelvic health physiotherapist, educator, author, and speaker. She has taught clinicians around the world on pelvic health, hormones, oncology, GI dysfunction, and women's health rehabilitation.
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Nicole Cozean, PT, DPT, WCS
Founder of Pelvic PT Rising and PelvicSanity Physical Therapy in Southern California.
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Jesse Cozean, MBA
Co-founder of the Pelvic PT Rising and the Rising Podcast.
Jesse uses his business experience to help pelvic health business owners start and grow their practices so they can build a practice that truly works for them. From website design, SEO, conversions, marketing, finance and money mindset, he wants to make the process of owning your own practice easier and fun.
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